SEEK 2018 – Saturday Morning – Sunder Krishnan – The Holy Spirit and the Splendor of the Ordinary in our Relationships – Deltona

July 17, 2018

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Dr. Sunder Krishnan explains the effect of the outpouring of the Holy Spirit on our relationships.

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Speaker 1: My Brother Sunder, everybody can be seated except you. Come on up here, my friend. When I was thinking about and praying with others about who would join us in the preaching team for this moment of SEEK, we invited our brother from Canada. Rexdale, 36 years leading a congregation there and now in this retirement stage, which means you get to do all the things you love but don’t have to do the things you don’t want to do, right?

Sunder Krishnan: [inaudible 00:00:35].

Speaker 1: So I invited this brother largely … not only because of significant ministry throughout the United States and Canada and accomplishments that he’s had, which are all significant, and the family that he’s raised, and the marriage that he has, and those things … but I invited him because I’ve seen God in my brother. I’ve known him for 20 years. Our paths don’t cross often enough. But every time I’ve been with my brother, I end up loving Jesus more. So I get to welcome a distant but mentoring voice in my life and a soul that has experienced the work of God within him.

And I welcome you to Florida and this lovely congregation that God has brought together. Welcome my friend Sunder.

Sunder Krishnan: You know, I was trained as an engineer before I became a pastor, but that doesn’t mean I know how to do anything with my hands. Much to my wife’s chagrin, I don’t fix things around the house. Maybe some of you are like me. Maybe others of you are very good. But imagine for a moment that all of you are really good at this kind of stuff. And imagine that someone takes you to the biggest hardware store close by and gets you all the best power tools that you can imagine. And you’ve got all the big batteries that you need to power that well, and they build you a wonderful workshop in your home. Imagine that for a minute. It takes great imagination if it’s me. But imagine that for a minute.

Something’s still missing, though. Right? What are you going to build? You have this tools. You have the power. But you need to know what you’re going to build as well. We are uniquely wired, each one of us. We have spiritual gifts. We have individual passions. We have our temperaments, our life experiences. Those are like the tools that we have. And we’ve been talking about, and well continue to talk about, the Holy Spirit as the one who has the power. But what exactly are we building with the Spirit within us? We need the blueprint as well. And as a pastor, I’m dealing with blueprints all the time. Right? Not just ideas, because people are not interested just in ideas. They want to know how does these ideas about God connect to where the rubber meets the road?

And so really my two messages have been entitled the Splendor of the Holy Spirit in the Ordinary Dimensions of Life, not the spectacular dimensions of life. And so in preparation before we begin, look at some of the verses where we are specifically commanded to do something in the scriptures in, by, with the Spirit. Here are some of the things I found. In Ephesians 5:18, we are to be filled with the Spirit. In Ephesians 6:18, we are to be praying in the Spirit. In Galatians 5:16, we are to walk by the Spirit. In Galatians 5:25, we are to keep in step with the Spirit. In Romans 8:13, we are to put to death the deeds of the body by the Spirit. That’s a book-length message, right, in there.

Now many of those don’t have a whole lot of detail in their context. Only one tends to say a lot more than the others, and that’s the one I want to focus on. And that’s specifically the one from Ephesians chapter 5 verse 18 to 6:9, where we are told to keep on being filled with the Spirit. And then there are what the grammarians call four-participles. Participles basically qualify the verb. Speaking to one another, singing and making music in your heart, thanking God, and submitted to one another out of reverence for Christ. And then he talks about three areas in which this thing is to be expressed. Wives and husbands in the marriage relationship, children and fathers in the parenting relationship, and slaves and masters in the work relationship.

So when you put it all together, it would seem that one of the primary expressions, the outflow of the Holy Spirit at work in our lives, is relational in its dimension. Speaking, singing, thanking, submitting. These are all relational terms. And specifically, these three areas of marriage, parenting, and work, which is not surprising, because that’s where we do most of our living. Right? We sleep about seven hours a day if we’re lucky. Sleep-deprived North America because we don’t get that much sleep. We certainly work several hours a day, 8, 9, 10 hours a day. And the rest of the time, we’re doing something around the house or related to people in our home. We actually spend very little time in church. This is where the rubber meets the road.

And I’m going to be speaking in my first message on marriage, but nobody tune me out. I’ll tell you why. Because everything that I say has to do with all relationships. And when John Piper, one of my favorite pastors whom I listen to and whose preaching inspires me, the very act of preaching regularly, at the age of 60, after 35 years of marriage, he said this, and it came out of his personal journey experience, because it was on his blog. He said, “All sins are ultimately relational and come to find their worst expression inside of marriage.” And if you are married, you know that’s true. But what I want to talk about today applies to all relationships that we have.

Those of you who are not, who are single, you might be married one day. Those of you who will not and don’t know about that, you still think about some critical relationship in your lifetime, but all thrown into a relational matrix in work situations, in church situations, in neighborhood situations, in extended family situations. And you will find that almost everything I say applies almost exactly, although they come to the most intense expressions within marriage. Now, why did Paul focus upon marriage specifically? Because later on in the text, he says something absolutely stupendous about marriage. He says, “I’m actually not talking about marriage at all.” He said, “I’m talking about Jesus and the church.” In other words, marriage has been chosen by God to be the unique illusion of his relationship with the church. Therefore, it is something that is of colossal importance, which is why it is ruthlessly attacked by the devil in our society and everywhere else.

So my major focus is going to be on that. Apply it. Make the transpositions, and you’ll find most of it has to do with all of the relationships in our life.

So why do we need the Holy Spirit in our life? Well, I’ve going to go back all the way to Genesis chapter 3 when our first parents were tempted by the devil. Now, what was the fundamental temptation of the devil? What was this basic temptation? One man put it this way. It was a passion to define and control. Basically what he said was, “You don’t have to listen to God. You decide. You will become like God. You will become independent, and you can independently determine what is good and what is evil.” And Larry Crabb called it the passion to define and control, to define what is good for me and then to control everything and everybody else so I can get what is good for me.

And of course, the relationship that was immediately affected was the marriage relationship. They covered themselves up. They were no longer comfortable with who they were. Shame, guilt entered the picture. And then of course there was fear. If this is how I’m feeling about myself, I’m now being seen by the other person exactly the way I am without any mask at all. So not only am I not comfortable the way I have been made, I don’t want anybody else to see me the way I am. And they’re seeing me right now, so I better attack them before they attack me. And that’s exactly what happens. Counter attack, blame shifting.

All of these things came into being in an instant as a result of that fundamental temptation to independently determine what is good and what is not good for ourself. So this is the passion to control and to define what is good for myself is basically what the Bible also calls that self-centeredness. Now, the real problem is, it’s not just self-centeredness. It’s what one man called justified self-centeredness. It works something like this. Certainly I know in marriage, it works something like that. You get married to this absolutely wonderful person. You see nothing but all the amazing good things. And then you get married, then you discover this person’s actually quite selfish. They’re thinking a whole lot about themselves more than about you. What is more, you get disconcerted because you know that they are discovering the same things about you. But my self-centeredness is justified, while yours isn’t. That’s where the rubber meets the road. And it is true in all of our relationships.

But the real issue is not even self-centeredness but is this idea of justified self-centeredness. It is exacerbated in many cases by our woundedness. People, probably many, mostly because of our family background and experiences, bring into our relationships … and again, most explicitly manifested within marriage … issues of insecurity, fear of trusting other people. All of those things begin to come into play. So when our self-centeredness is pointed out, we respond with, “You’re not going to really understand, because you haven’t gone through what I have gone through.” That’s true, but it doesn’t make it right.

Now, if you have two people who are both wounded, and I’ve dealt with a lot of marriages like that in a pastoral perspective, you can see how this gets so bad. Each one resisting any revelation of their self-centeredness by saying, “Oh, but you don’t understand that mine is unique.” Now, it doesn’t mean we don’t … we absolutely do need to deal with our woundedness. But our fundamental problem … is it woundedness, or is it self-centeredness? Because if we answer woundedness and deal with it, we will now become healthy self-justified people as opposed to wounded self-justified people. The fundamental problem is always the self-centeredness. The woundedness exacerbates it and therefore needs to be dealt with.

That’s why we need the Holy Spirit. We need the Holy Spirit in our lives to be able to move from this justified self-centeredness to this other centeredness. That is a fundamental work of the Spirit to turn us outward and to become focused on other centered people. Now, how does the Holy Spirit do this? What does the Spirit do to make this work? Okay, let’s go on to that same text. And he says, Ephesians 5:18 [inaudible 00:11:28], “But be filled with the Spirit, addressing,” or speaking, “to one another,” singing, etc., “giving thanks, submitting to one another.” And then comes the phrase, “out of reverence for Christ.” So while the Holy Spirit is the motivational for the power that we need, the motivation for it is something else altogether. It is the worth of Jesus. It is the glory of Jesus Christ. What keeps me working relentlessly into the 47th year of my marriage, I was so joyful to hear my son recently say about his marriage, “Dad, it’s-”

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Sunder Krishnan: I was so joyful to hear my son recently say about his marriage, “Dad, it’s pedal to the metal until I die, as far as my marriage is concerned.” And he’s right on. Why? Why do we have to do that? Because of what Jesus said about marriage. It is a unique revelation of the words of Christ’s relationship to the church. So it is the more we reverence Jesus, the more we going to be reverencing marriage in particular and all relationships that are foundation.

So how does this work? How does the reverence for Christ work in our life? Now, the word reverence, what does it really mean? People have tried to define it various ways. Fear of the Lord, but fear has so many connotations that are unhelpful for us, like especially the kind of fear that makes us afraid of people. And that operates in many, many relationships. It operates within marriage. It operates within … power issues within relationships gets in the way. But what exactly is this reverence for Christ?

Psalm 130 verse 4 gives us an interesting truth. It says, “But with you,” with God, “There is forgiveness so that you may be feared.” Now we don’t put those two words together normally, do we? Because if I have offended you, and I need you to forgive me, I am fearful of you until you forgive me. But as soon as you forgive me, all fear is gone. So this is interesting. So obviously this cannot refer to that kind of servile fear. This is the kind of forgiveness that actually increases this fear. So what is it? What kind of fear is it, this reverence for Jesus that through the forgiveness that comes to us actually increases the fear? It’s not the fear of a broken relationship. It’s exactly the opposite.

And let me come to it in a slightly different way. And that is by looking at this, what fear does to us. We are controlled by what we fear. My wife doesn’t like to travel, especially when I go overseas, because she’s afraid of flying. She wasn’t like that when she was young. Later on in life, she’s having to deal with this. And so she says, “Can we drive?” “Well, yeah, if it’s within four or five hours, yes. But it’d take me two and a half days to drive to Orlando. Right?” So she’s always wanting to do something to avoid flying if possible. “Can we make the trips as short as possible? can we break up the journey?” We are controlled by whatever we fear. I have a hard time dealing with people who get angry, really angry. So I do strategies in my life to avoid dealing with angry people or confronting them.

So fear works in a sense of controlling us. So when you look at it that way, it gives us a much better understanding. Reverence for Jesus, or fear for Jesus, is not the kind of servile fear that taxes the relationship, but it’s the relationship with Jesus that controls our lives more and more. And that’s what the Holy Spirit does in our lives. The work of the Holy Spirit is to magnify Jesus in our life. It’s to magnify the words of Jesus so both Jesus becomes desirable and we begin to cultivate that relationship to the extent where it begins to control all of our relationship. Are you tracking with me so far? That’s the work of the Spirit in our lives. To magnify.

And Jesus Himself said that. He said, “He will not speak of himself.” Remember what He said? The work of the Holy Spirit is not to keep on talking about Holy Spirit. He says, “He will take of me and make it known to you.” and Tim Keller says that the word to be make known, the word declare, is the kind of thing that is a resting declaration. We have a pope. Our first pope to resign in 700 years. Or 9.8 earthquake. That’s declaration. That’s making known. And he says the work of the Spirit is to keep on declaring the glory of Jesus in that way into our lives so that it becomes an arresting, controlling factor in our lives.

Specifically when it comes to relationships, which is the context of this outworking of the Spirit and within marriage in particular, but all intimate relationships, what about Jesus does the Holy Spirit exalt so that we begin to love it, so that we begin to be controlled by it? Not because it is a concept, but because He is the Person who embodies this. It is the mindset of Jesus expressed for us in Philippians. The Spirit magnifies Jesus so we gradually move from justified self-centeredness to other centeredness because of our marriage in particular and all relationships illust. What does it say in Philippians 2:3 and 4? “Do nothing from selfish ambition.” And other translations call it rivalry or conceit, “But in humility count others more significant than yourself.”

That word that is translated selfish ambition or rivalry was used by Aristotle to talk about people in politics who continually thrust themselves forward. And we have lots of evidence and illustrations of that, right? Self-promotion to the exclusion of others. So the tearing-down of others. And because of this justified self-centeredness in relationships, we have plenty of opportunities to do that. Promoting ourself. That’s the whole thing that self does. Pushing me, my ideas forward. Mine are more important than yours. Conceit, on the other hand, comes from the word glory and has the connotations of empty glory. Now, what’s glory? We use the word glory all the time. I think one of the meanings of glory is the word doxa, which means opinion, from which we get words like heterodox, and orthodox, and paradox.

So conceit is an opinion about yourself that’s actually quite empty. It’s lightweight. It’s the exact opposite of real glory, which is in the Hebrew word called kabod, or has weight. It’s gravitas associated with it. So much of human glory, he said, that which pushes you to promote yourself. Whether that glory consists of your intellectual superiority, or of your emotional superiority, or your positional superiority, or your social superiority. It doesn’t matter what it is. It sees it as empty. It’s empty because it actually doesn’t have much gravity. It’s also empty another way. When you do succeed in promoting yourself, the glory that comes to you is empty and pointless. In other words, even when you are successful in your attempt at self-justification, you have failed. It is an enterprise that is doomed to failure in marriage and in all of our relationships.

Now in contrast to this of course is the mind of Jesus Christ. What does it say? Though he was equal with God, He did not consider equity with God something to be grasped at.” Though He was equal with God, He became a human being. And though He became a man, He became a servant. And as a servant, He then died the death of a criminal. It’s downward mobility, the exact opposite. The exact opposite of that self-promotion, that ambition, that conceit, and self-glory. He emptied Himself of real glory. We push ourselves forward with empty glory. He emptied Himself of the glory that really was His all the way down. Therefore, God exalted Him and gave Him a name that is above every other name, that at the name of Jesus every know should bow, every tongue that confess that Jesus Christ is Lord.

That’s the mindset that the Holy Spirit magnifies. It is the work of the Spirit in our lives to fall in love with this kind of a mindset that doesn’t come to us naturally. What comes to us naturally is upward mobility. What we despise is downward mobility. That’s why he goes on to say in humility. Not only do nothing from selfish ambition. That’s the opposite, negative side. Positive he says in humility, or in lowliness of mind, count others more significant that yourself. Now lowliness of mind is humility, but it was a quality that was despised by the Greco-Roman culture of the first century. It was considered to be something strenuously avoided. It was a sign of weakness. Yet in the scriptures, it has become the defining virtue, the essence of the mindset of Jesus Himself.

Now, what does it mean when it says in humility count others more significant than yourself? Does it mean that you think lowly of yourself? No. In Romans chapter 12, Paul talks about each person thinking about themselves with sober judgment. It means to think accurately about yourself. It also means to think accurately about somebody else. Self-disparagement, denying something that is true about yourself, is not humility. If someone were to say to me, “Well, you have a real gift in preaching,” and I say, “No,” that’s not humility. That’s stupidity. [inaudible 00:21:15] it’s a gift, so I have nothing to boast about, but it is given to me. It just means that you are accurate in your estimate about yourself, and you’re accurate in your estimate about other people, and therefore to count others more significant doesn’t mean to pretend that someone is better than you in an area where you’re not, but rather use those areas in which you are better than them not to promote yourself but to serve. That’s the difference. You get the idea? That’s it.

This has nothing to do with pretense, folks. It has to do with soberly thinking about yourself and thinking. After all, the work of the Spirit is to equip you too. He’s not only the power, He gives you the tools as well. So don’t deny what the Lord has given to you. But recognize that it is given, not for one-upmanship, not for promoting yourself with a justified self-centeredness, but with the kind of other-centeredness that uses what you are good at to serve and bless the other person.

One person puts it this way. He said, “Humility is the noble choice to use your influence for the good of others.” Humility is the noble choice to use your influence for the good of others. So this is what the Holy Spirit exalts about Jesus. Philippians chapter 2 verses 5 to 11. And you begin to fall in love with it, because society doesn’t like it. In our natural state, we don’t like it. We don’t like humility and meekness. We don’t like to be those kind of people. We want to be those powerful people who promote themselves successfully, who assert themselves, who control others, who define what is good and make sure that we get it. That’s what comes to us naturally. That’s what causes all the problems in the relationships in our life and find their worst expression within the intimate one, especially in marriage. That’s what the Holy Spirit has come to neutralize, and He does it by magnifying Jesus so we fall in love with Christ.

So now, now, the all-important question, what do we do? How do we get part of this? We understand the dynamics now. Why do we need the Spirit? Because of justified self-centeredness. How does the Holy Spirit work? To magnify Jesus. Okay. So that’s the work of the Spirit. So what do we do now? How do we enter into this process? This is the how-do-we-get-filled portion. I have to be very honest with you. In fact, anytime anybody asks me to speak about the Holy Spirit … and I went through that exchange of ideas both with [John 00:23:45] and with [Dr. Corby 00:23:46] here as we were talking about it. Because my own experience immediately gets in the way. And that’s why I’ve been so thankful already for both last night and today for the reminders we’ve had that there’s no particular model that fits everybody. Because you see, in my own experience-

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Sunder Krishnan: Because you see, in my own experience, I had to first write my ordination papers. I didn’t think I was gonna pass, because I couldn’t write the paper on the Holy Spirit the way we were supposed to in the Alliance, in those days. One unique experience leads to Salvation. I said, “I don’t read books, and frankly, some of the books that told me how to get filled with the Holy Spirit left me really confused, because all the things they wanted me to do so I could get filled with the Spirit are the things I need the Spirit to help me to do.”

And then of course, because I’m intellectually oriented, I get down and study these terms, “baptism of the Holy Spirit, the filling of …” They didn’t have that single, univocal meaning that some people claimed they have. They’re used so fluidly in the New Testament, that there’s no one particular way to understand these experiences.

So this is just my journey, okay? One person’s experience. Take whatever of it makes sense to you. It’ll fit, some of the pieces will fit on the journey that you’re already on. And that will get you ready for the next step along the way.

“What are we called to do?” I think specifically, Matthew 11:28, for me, has been very helpful. Our part is the coming to Jesus, because He is the one that baptizes the Holy Spirit, right? What did John say? “After me comes one who will baptize you with the Holy Spirit.” Matthew 11:28, “Come unto me, all who labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. Take my yoke upon you, and learn from me, for I am gentle and lowly in heart, and you will find rest for your souls, for my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.”

This is our part, a coming to Jesus. Now notice what he says, he says, “Learn from me, for I am gentle and lowly.” Lowly is the same word, “humility”, and gentleness is the Greek word, [Greek 00:25:57], is translated “meekness.” That would take on a whole sermon in itself, but in essence, meekness has to do with the control of anger. And it’s the ability to be angry with the right person for the right reason, for the right amount of time. Moses is a magnificent illustration of that, he was called “The meekest man in all the Earth.” And so was Jesus. One moment he was angry enough to come into the temple and overturn the tables of the money changers, and make a whip and drive people out. He said, “Zeal for my Father’s house is consuming me.” And not too many days after that, he allows himself to be mocked, to be beaten, to be bruised, never even opens his mouth. Angry at the things that anger the heart of God, and completely non-resistant when his own honor was at stake.

Anger is an issue that ruins so many relationships, especially marriage. Because marriage is full of unmet expectations. When two people get married, they bring into it so many expectations. Half of them they don’t even know they have, and the ones they have, they never say, they expect the other person to guess it. “How come you can’t think up this yourself?!” Men usually are the receiving end of that problem.

But seriously, though. We need meekness in our relationships as well. And Jesus has come to me and I will teach you. And I love what he says, he says, “Learn from me. Not learn from me because I know, not learn from me because I’m an expert, learn from me because I am.” So what does he want you to learn? He wants you to learn humility, he wants you to learn meekness. Which is what the Holy Spirit has been wanting to magnify about Jesus, right? So for me, my part in being filled and controlled by Jesus, is this regular coming to him. To learn from him.

By the way, he also teaches with humility and meekness, and I love that, too, about Jesus. You learn a lot from humble teachers, not from the arrogant ones. I had two teachers of fluid mechanics at my graduate school at MIT. They were both brilliant men, they both had written seminal books on the subject. I took courses from both of them. One was an absolutely brilliant teacher, he caused learning to happen because he never made you feel stupid. The other one would open ridicule you in class, and it was all I could do to even, I had to take the course because I had to, otherwise I would’ve never even stepped foot in.

And John Dickson once speaking on the subject of humility at a leadership conference, talked about meeting a man named Richard Barkham. And they had gone to do a series of interviews with Richard Barkham, and the team of television crew and all, about 12 people in all, and Barkham asked each person, “What do you need for your drinks? Coffee, tea, et cetera.” And each person gave off their request, and Barkham disappeared somewhere. And while the people were waiting for him, they fully expected the secretary or whoever to come with the coffee and the tea. Barkham himself came back 10 minutes later, with everybody’s tea and coffee, just the way they wanted. Beautiful spirit of service. Months later, John Dickson was saying that he was doing some research on a particularly important topic, and he read about nine or ten people’s views on it, including Barkham’s. He said, “I automatically wanted to believe Barkham.” That’s the power of humility. “Come and learn of me, because I am humble.”

Jesus comes down to our level to teach us. I want to learn from someone like that. And he says, “I’m also meek.” He never gets angry, because “Never, you’re so dumb, when are you gonna learn? Stupid.” No. Never. Because he never gets angry. He’s humble, meek. You want to learn from a teacher like that? Why would you not go to him? What’s gonna keep you from every day, making sure you come to Jesus? Because you’ve got a teacher like this, and each time you come, the Holy Spirit’s got it’s raw material to magnify Jesus for you. And you go out slightly changed.

Now in my workshop this afternoon, I’m gonna talk about how this happens through the Word, because in Jesus’ time, you could do this literally. In Jesus’ time, you literally came to Jesus, you literally sat at his feet. Mary literally sat at his feet to learn. But we can’t anymore. And so more often than not in my experience, the Spirit works through the Word. And by the way, that’s a study in itself, as you read through the Bible, notice how many times “Word” and “Spirit” work together. Right from the opening chapter. What was the book opening chapter all about? God spoke into creation but don’t forget verse 2, “The Spirit of God brooded over the darkness.” And what happened on the day of Pentecost, when the Holy Spirit was given?

The day of Pentecost didn’t start, by the way, that day. We think, we always associate Pentecost as if it got started when the Holy Spirit was put on. The day of Pentecost was already in existence in before, it was a day when they celebrated the giving of the Law. Isn’t it amazing that God chose the festival where they celebrated the law to put on the Holy Spirit? Word and Spirit, Word and Spirit, working together.

And in part of the passage to Ephesians chapter 5 where it tells us to keep on being filled with the Spirit, every text is the same except in Colossians chapter 3, it says, “Let the Word of Christ dwell in you richly.” Word and Spirit, Word and Spirit, work together. And the written word becomes powerful because it corresponds to Jesus the living word. And that’s what the workshop is all about, but basically for me, this is how it works. To come to Jesus, coming regularly to Jesus, with an open Bible, and dependence on the Spirit of God. And the Spirit exalts Jesus, the living word, through the written word, we fall in love with Jesus, specifically the mindset of Jesus, that is lowly and gentle. And that begins to work itself up slowly in one relationship after another.

Let’s pray together. Enough said, Lord. Now do what You can do. Do what only You can do. When You create such hunger, such longing within our hearts, that we can hardly wait to say, “I want this conference to be over quickly so I can get to Jesus.” And with Paul, we just throw up our hands and say, “Who is sufficient for all these things?”

Father, You know looking out over a group like this, You know the relational tensions that are represented in this room. They would be enough to crush us by its weight. Will you, Spirit of God, descend right into the midst of those relational tensions right now? Will you quicken hope that there is possibility of transformation in those relationships? By us becoming lowly and meek, because we love to become lowly and meek, because God exalts the lowly and the meek. So Spirit of God, work that kind of reverential love for Jesus within our hearts, and because of what the status of our relationships tells the world about Jesus’ love for the church, we will give ourselves to whole harmony and holiness in our relationships.

In Jesus’ name, Amen.

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